Granted it eventually meets up with all nine of those services, just not in the big pile-up. They are not evenly shared. [2] The Reid Avenue El station, which was originally named Utica Avenue and was formerly above the current subway station, closed on May 31, 1940.[5]. Then you can continue trains on into Brooklyn. BUT in order for that to happen you have to shut down service between Franklin and Flatbush and Franklin and New Lots. Its an extremely clever plan that I and many other would have never of came up with but there are some wholes that are worth being built up. Yes, it would take ages for New York to make the Plan for Action setup even remotely possible, but the fact is that the smaller size of the IRT inherently bottlenecks passenger capacity (as known by Lexington Avenue) and also is an operational pain-in-the-neck, since the IRT cant use IND platforms. Doesnt matter. As part of the NYS Public Service Commission report in 1912 on new lines the Commission recommended a 4 track 14th St Subway with branches through Williamsburg. C, the yard that would be built over the bus depot would be able to host more trains (btw can it be named Marine Park Yards or Mill Basin Yards) seeing that it is smaller. Eliminating the bottleneck and interlining will improve frequency at Franklin so the transfer wont take too long. Located under Eastern Parkway near Utica Avenue in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, it is served by the 4 train at all times and the 3 train at all times except late nights. [25][26][27][28][29] Just east of this station, a bellmouth splits away from the local track on both levels, and curves south. Parkchester on the 6. This would also take relief off of the (B)/(Q) trains to the west. The Crown HeightsUtica Avenue station is an express station on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line of the New York City Subway. It wont really be providing new services, since youre just substituting services that already exist. The station listings are extremely far apart to where it barely serves any local communities on the route. Is it correct that Culver has connections in place for the 8th Ave line? Merchant groups arent going to sue you for driving their business away. This leaves the possibility of resurrecting the Worth St Line, a branch off the 8th Ave local that would split south of Canal St and head east via Worth St and East Broadway. It also depends on adding a new service to Fulton, which Im all for, but as stated in the piece Eastern Parkway already has the extra service which can just be extended. Im not opposed to interlining but given the unique layout of the Rogers Junction the only affordable option is to segregate the services. The majority, 27, go to the Lexington Ave. services and with a few additional 4 trains that terminate after downtown Brooklyn the LEX express tracks are totally maxed out. Existing abandoned portions: Part of a station for 2 tracks and two side platforms. The Manhattan-bound platform has its metalwork painted in golden yellow and the tiles beneath the trim line in dark blue. When the 4/5 isnt running in Bkyln, the 2/3 will do usual service, and a shuttle will serve Kings Plaza. Everything else is a single or double story commercial or light industrial building, parking lot, and one school. CBTC will raise it higher and the E trains route is already budgeted for that in both Manhattan and Queens. That already will cost millions, possibly billions. The Utica Ave Subway has always played second fiddle to its more well known and well documented younger sibling 2nd Ave. Might It will extend easterly from Buffalo avenue and Eastern parkway via East 98th street and Livonia avenue to New Lots avenue. Barring a brand new line paralleling the EPL and Fulton, which wouldnt make sense as long as capacity can still be raised on those lines, the Fulton Street line looks like the only way to ever realize that greater capacity. Taking this one step further this also supposes that, as the Worth St Line was to serve a similar catchment area as the BMT Centre Street Line (J train) that the new subways through the Lower East Side would replace the Centre St Line, thus leaving it up for abandonment (if this seems too preposterous keep in mind that half of this line is already, for all intents and purposes, abandoned). Building a subway in these conditions means having to deal with tunnel flooding more so than normal and flooding means corrosion. As you point out, the area already has subway service. The Fulton route would have a bottleneck closer in at the crossings around Hoyt-Schermerhorn. [7] The outer track walls are made of tile and have a maroon trim line with a dark maroon border. station. But this does not deal with the immediate needs of those that live along Utica Ave. Building an extension of the IRT could be opened long before the section through northern Brooklyn and would have immediate benefits by serving more riders with direct service rather than requiring transferring. While cost is an obvious reason for building an elevated over a subway there are also geological concerns in this area as the land through which Utica Ave runs has a very high water table and very sandy soil. and Park Aves commuter train viaduct looks good all the time. Kings Plaza isnt downtown Flushing so you arent going to have that demand. Delays wont occur because of judges ordering you to change your practices to mitigate pollution or traffic effects. Transfer the money (like it exists!) Small black tile captions reading "UTICA" in white lettering on a black background run below the trim line at regular intervals. There were homes here and there, but the area was full of empty lots until the postwar years. The 5 is already going express and with further station spacing you would still have good run times. Go for a I will say that the Utica stop spacing is fine; its not any wider than the Queens Boulevard local and it stops at every intersecting street with a frequent bus connection. The Utica provisions at Fulton are on the upper level and cross perpendicular to the lower platforms. There is another part of the IND plan which, as far as I can tell, no one has figured out or brought up yet. What companies run services between Newark Penn Station, NJ, USA and Utica Avenue Station, NY, USA? The line's section to Atlantic Avenue was part of Contract 2 of the Interborough Rapid Transit Company (IRT)'s plan to construct an extension of the original subway, Contract 1. Its smaller for the same reason an Olds Runabout is smaller than a Model T: the technological limitations of the day. The Flushing Line viaduct cleans up real nice There are also some windows in this level. In 1977, the fight to save Utica Union Station and the Adirondack Railway's plans to reopen the abandoned Utica-Lake Placid line prompted formation of the Utica & Mohawk Valley Chapter. If you check out the MTA report I sourced for the Rogers Junction rebuild you can see the two options. With IRT you are constrained slightly but smoothing out the Rogers Junction gives you more to work with and if Utica proves more popular than New Lots then you could run some special 4 trains down there at rush hour. Atlantic-Barclays, now thats interesting. There were blocked stairways up from the platform level to the upper level that were removed during the station's renovation. [30] In 2015, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio announced his proposal for an extension of the 3 and 4 trains down Utica Avenue. [11]:194[7], On March 19, 1913, New York City, the Brooklyn Rapid Transit Company, and the IRT reached an agreement, known as the Dual Contracts, to drastically expand subway service across New York City. Unlike the Utica Ave stretch, the Flatbush Ave structure would run along the center of the street on a modern concrete viaduct (similar to what the AirTrain uses long Van Wyck Expressway). Now during service changes where the 2/3 arent running to Bkyln, the 4 will serve Flatbush, the 5 will go to Utica, and a shuttle will run from Utica to New Lots. Despite its name, this station has no exit to the corner of Utica Avenue and Eastern Parkway. Although not in the official report, soon after it was proposed to connect 14th St to Utica Ave. And also, what will take the (B)s place as the Brighton Express? Last but not least, are the 2 and 3 doing skip stop? And this angle within the station level might be improved if it were to be reworked for two tracks instead of four with no fresh excavation needed. The only Past Clarendon Rd the line would split with two tracks peeling east to a new yard facility built along the LIRR Bay Ridge line (requiring land taking). Close by to where youd have your subway portal at Kings Highway is the Bay Ridge branch. Even 2nd Ave had to take a few buildings for ventilation plants. I thought that was my craziest but. Construction commenced on Contract 2 on March 4, 1903. You know those 44 tph the current arrangement allows? [18], On November 22, 1920, the first portion of the IRT New Lots Line opened between Utica Avenue and Junius Street opened on November 22, 1920, with shuttle trains operating over this route. The first option is a bit luxurious and is unlikely to happen. South of Kings Highway would be stations at Flatlands Ave, Ave N and after the line turns down Flatbush Ave, at Ave U-Kings Plaza. But whats your obsession with rerouting the 6th Ave Express to replace (J)/(M) trains? Still, the terminal must be fixed so what is required is a short tunnel south that would allow a terminal yard of 4 tracks be built. Weekends the 3 runs in Bkyln so it can serve New Lots as usual on weekends. Might fit in with narrow streets with tall buildings? Besides, with Utica so far out it would be much better service to have express trains rather than a longer local train. no, i only looked at pictures, ill look at post now LOL. Also major problem. There are no flaws in this plan. Past the fence, there was a tiled wall with a door. Ive thought of three more elevated footprint lightening techniques; these are all actually in use right now: 9. The current switch layout requires that local trains merge directly in front of express trains causing delays and capacity constrains. I just disagree with a Worth St subway being the best choice, since unlike the Second Avenue tracks, the Eighth Av local does have capacity constraints in the railroad north direction (both CPW local and 53 St have two services each, which is about as much as you want to push on a pair of tracks before service gets too unreliable). Using the IRT as the basis for a Utica Avenue line is much more feasible. Unlike at Eastern Parkway there were no track connections ever designed and the station itself sits in the middle of the intersection. Split track areas. 3. Same with Crown Heights-Utica Av. But thats how I see it. Another diamond crossover, east of here, connects the southbound express track to a ramp down to the lower level. Touring: F train to East Broadway. Same dilemma as if underground. Could be Im missing an important element here. 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But can a three way switch be built between Nostrand, President, and Franklin? B46 Utica and Eastern Parkway. Crescent sections of the Jamaica line, clearing most but not all of the messy This also makes me question realigning existing radial services into SAS. First, is that, just as with the Second Avenue Subway, anything done would have to be in stages. In order to avoid trains passing at grade you need to segregate the local and express trains. Also if most people are going to midtown (which Id argue given the census data I show isnt the case) then there is nothing in the way of this with the new routing. In the station, there are ornate doors in the tile walls which serve as vent chambers. And theres no room there for it. I agree with you that IRT was sized small for a reason, Tyler. Most of the subway system in New York City no longer has that feel . It will cost less. 5 all times except late nights, 6. The 2 track Worth St Line would require a 3.15 mile tunnel from Tribeca to Williamsburg. Messing that up is messing a lot of commuters daily commute. From the South 4th St station to Eastern Parkway is another 3 miles which would parallel the existing J/M/Z trains. The same happens if the A leaves. Hey, me again. Though Id suggest building a peak direction track on Utica Similar to the 6 and 7 lines. Gov. I realize it looks like Im being hypercritical but thats 2- rebuild the Eastern Pkwy Station so that there are provisions for the line to pass through. and has a much less dominating effect. What are the closest stations to Utica Avenue? And thats a jump I dont think we could ever make. Like Court Square-Court Square awkward? By the early 1920s, its population had swelled to more than 10,000. Drawing fantasy lines on paper is far more fun when you have unlimited possibilities but if we are planning out a project today there are some real world considerations that come first. Look at ridership at the Crown Heights-Utica Ave station now. To keep interlining you need to go with the complicated and expensive Rogers rebuild and I dont think that the service pattern justifies the cost. 2. and weekends the 5 doesnt go to Brooklyn. Contract 2 extended the original line from City Hall in Manhattan to Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn. Both Fulton/8th Ave. and Eastern Pkwy/Broadway 7th routes hit up with all three major employment destinations. Better to have SAS Williamsburg via the 9th St storage tracks and SAS Fulton local as the obvious trunk line that needs new capacity. Six other lines would have to be widened for it to stay as the 4. Im not sure why you are even proposing this. The point is that anything involving using an extension of B Division is more complicated, for no reason, than just extending the IRT. want to either go to Midtown West or Midtown East. Well then what are we waiting for? Median not wide enough for a true viaduct? Youre forgetting one thing though when you switched the 3 and 5 terminals. [17] On August 23, 1920, the Eastern Parkway Line was extended from Atlantic Avenue to Crown HeightsUtica Avenue, with the Utica Avenue station opening at this time. And D as well if cut-and-cover is used. Your plan strips the West End from one-seat access to Chinatown and Midtown. Constructed in 1923, Union Station served the . . A lower cost solution to your previous Thank you. Subway, local station, ADA accessible (ONLY northbound 6) 59 St. E 60 St and Lexington Ave, E 59 St and Lexington Ave, E 60 St and 3rd Ave. Four side platforms. You took the time to write a response but not to read what I wrote? The second plan would be far cheaper but would require that only local trains have access to Nostrand Ave while the express trains would split past the junction so that half would continue as locals and the other would run express. Despite this residents of southern and southeastern Brooklyn would continually oppose any plan that involved elevated trains (even extensions of the Nostrand Ave Line as an elevated were blocked). Hidden behind a tall chain-link fence and gate is a tunnel that's been virtually untouched since it was built in the 1980s. Today, police released a photo of the suspect, who is still at large. The school, at Avenue J can very easily be replaced using the existing parking lot across the street. Modern giant boring machines make drilling more cost effective and its common for all the tunneling to be complete years before the line can open, primarily because of stations. and would cost a TON less money, I think like 10x less even with politicians, and would meet up at some kind of terminal like Times Square. Click to email a link to a friend (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), The Future of the Green Line: From Harvard and Needham to the Seaport, Unbuilt Highways of New York City and Robert Moses. But thats not necessarily for the bad. [9] Above is a disused portion of a mezzanine and an unfinished upper level station. But the question is what is more dire, commuters coming from Wall St (with their many different subway options) or those coming from Williamsburg (with the congested L)? 14 St. W 14 St and 7th Ave, W 13 St and 7th Ave, W 12 St and 7th Ave. Two island platforms. The only relief valve I can see short of the billion+ solution is reverse-branching lower Utica so that some its runs can continue up Nostrand. Let's take a trip down memory lane to explain why. Or just stay on your train. Given the history of cost overruns and delays that the MTA is infamous for it seems foolish to build a project which requires so many moving parts even before the most important section can be built. N,R all times except late nights, W weekdays only, 5 all times except late nights,6. The Crown Heights-Utica Avenue station is an express station on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line of the New York City Subway. Looking at a modern take on IND plan, since the Chrystie St Connection rerouted the 6th Ave express trains over the Manhattan Bridge and the extra local service to Williamsburg, there is no extra capacity along 6th Ave to connect with the new line. For a first phase, I could see going only as far as Clarendon Road and the following trackage. Then a tunnel would have to be built from Fulton to Eastern Pkwy, where the tunnel would have to be built directly under the 3/4, then a steep incline from Eastern Pkwy to Empire Blvd, so a portal could be built for the elevated line to Kings Plaza. Late nights a shuttle will run from Franklin Av to New Lots Av. February 10, 2019 12:27pm Mark Mellone A woman was in critical condition after she ended up under a train at the Utica Avenue subway early Sunday morning, cops said. Far simpler with more capacity. 127 Utica Avenue Brooklyn, NY, 11213-2338. The big attraction to politicians of boring subways instead of cut-and-cover is that it removes so much uncertainty. Trains are one of the oldest forms of transportation out there, which means abandoned depots are scattered all across the country. Im not suggesting building an extension of the Crosstown Subway or tearing down the Broadway El, that is merely a reproduction of the 1931 IND plan. This would suggest that even if the full line was to be built most riders would be transferring to trunk lines headed to downtown rather staying on to midtown via Williamsburg. Train operators. Then a tunnel would have to be built just outside the station. Bubble the reworking there to the top of the list and once done it can do 12 B Div. Nice ideas so far! There is an active tower at the south end of the platform while a closed one exists on the east of the lower level. But for Brooklyn, maybe 4? Now we dont want that, do we? Allows handicap access via one elevator instead of three. Lets see how we might mitigate the new round of issues you brought up. IRT 4 or 5 express will have higher headways than Fulton anyway you slice it so the smaller cars are offset with more of them. Trains descending the ramp can access either the local or express track.[22]. This seems right as Fulton intersects cross-streets at that angle. The first is building a complicated junction that lets you send trains anywhere, which I think is what you are suggesting. When the IND built their lines they did so with room for expansion and most of the provisions and abandoned sections that did get built had something to do with Utica Ave. The other spur would have led up Myrtle Ave. where the line would split again. Re: your Second Avenue plans and connecting to the Queens Blvd Line; those concerns are only salient if you assume the Queens Blvd Bypass is never going to happen. This is why I say do IRT now and level provisions for the future. By the way Vanschnooken, I really like your operations-focused outlook; I like that you used your custom track map as a base for all of the ideas you proposed, since tweaking your operations is usually a lot cheaper and effective in the long run. No doubt they will propose some deep bore subway with expensive stations that will take a decade or more to build.. Charlestown USA Outlet Mall (Utica) This old, abandoned, former mill site was once one of the first shopping centers to locate in the Mohawk Valley. But Utica predates 2nd Ave by at least a decade. 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